I try to show people that we can do things different for years, but it's hard. And now i learn of the Ubuntu movement, and the goals are exactly the same as the ones i have. Collective Conciousness :). But now i know i'm not alone in this transition
Qba ofcourse greater collective consciousness, beeing aware we are all enslaved by money and the powers that hold the control of that money is one of the first needs the great human family needs to become aware of, so ye seeing it as a goal to reach more and more collective consiousness, sounds perfectly logic to me ;-)
Rangutan We are not alone, I cannot imagine joining or listening about UBUNTU 20 years ago when I was a capitalist. After burning out, I became a socialist but have now found THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN, the way to Utopia thanks Tellinger. In spite of my enthusiasm, it is so damn hard to convince family and friends about the benefits. They are programmed and poisoned slave robots of the system. We must find our own type and exchange most our friends?
Sunday 13 March 2016, 21:50:21
Pedro UBUNTU I recive a lot of defensive posture when i talk about this to people i know, and how the current sistem is not working. I have been reading a lot of this philosophy, and the ubuntu plan of action, and every con they give me, i throw them a plausive response and a solution to their con. Passed a while, they start to thing more about it becouse everything they said to try to defend the sistem, has been brought down by simple comun sense arguments. It's all about the commun sense
Rangutan Yay! Me too.... In 1988 I had plans to start a community in the Karoo on the N1 and call it "Bagdad Cafe"!
Wednesday 16 March 2016, 11:25:29
Martha Chamberlain Well, I don't really see collective consciousness as a goal. I haven't read ubuntu's philosopy so maybe there is some nuance or specific definition of the phrase particular to their paradigm that I'm unaware of that would make collective consciousness as a goal make sense. My understanding of the collective consciousness is that it IS. It is not a goal. We do not create it. It is. It is a perspective from which one may observe - that of the collective past, present, and future experiences and knowings of any group of points of awareness. Obtaining "higher" levels of consciousness would of course include the ability to access, be informed by, and work from the knowledge of collective consciousness groups but the well balanced person will also take the time to understand and work from the infinitesimally small and separate. I agree that greater awareness and greater consciousness is needed for people to see and implement the ways out of their pains, but that they need "collective consciousness" to fix everything, especially since collective consciousness in and of itself isn't necessarily all that smart, just doesn't make sense to me. :)