Status #8318

Could it be El Nino, man made climate change, [...]


Medway
via Ubuntu - United Kingdom - Kent
Could it be El Nino, man made climate change, spraying aluminium aerosol from commercial airliners, massive amounts of methane gas venting from the permafrosts or.....Nibiru. my neighbours go on holiday every February for 3 weeks, their from Romania so they visit family and friends for a week then go skiing for two weeks, they returned yesterday, obviously I asked "how was the skiing" he shook his head and said no skiing this year, then said climate gone crazy, he said normally it is cold real cold, -15 even -22 sometimes but this year the temperature was between +15 -+20, no snow, no winter clothing, no skiing, he was genuinely looking worried, he said his friend in Toronto is also worried due to the lack of normal weather. Here in kent its been cold at times but generally mild, I don't think we see the largest changes here simply due to our location, I'm worried though, what's it going to be like in ten years from now? Is Nibiru making a crossing, is that why California have just measured huge carbon monoxide gases and the recent Indonesian earthquake, food for thought mayby.
Friday 4 March 2016, 23:26:34
Steve
One night I was driving home from work and i saw haarp at work, it was making storm clouds but global climate change, well maybe.
Saturday 5 March 2016, 00:37:50
Neil Warren
We were working quite a lot with Andrew Johnson on this stuff, Steed, if you can see and for example?: https://lawfulbank.com/forum/…
Thursday 31 March 2016, 16:58:37
Thursday 31 March 2016, 16:59:05
Neil Warren
That's my son Adam on that one, this was Andrew's work, and the ambition now is to get us all moved over to this COEO platform: https://lawfulbank.com/forum/…
Thursday 31 March 2016, 17:01:06
Walter Dewald
I am originally from Austria and winter in the Alps has become something different. Usually winter came end of November, snow down into the valleys until March, often a yard/meter, temperatures frequently down to minus 20, coldest was minus 27 for at least a month. Now winter arrives mid of January, temperatures before are all over the place, up to plus 10 or even more. Then the winter might not want to leave or suddenly it changes, it is raining on the snow, until its gone, then snow again or you have plus 25 in March. Last year it was cold until end of June, then within a few days it switched and for 8 weeks there were temperatures up to plus 40 (always in the mid 30s) I think the change is purposefully done, in order to create fear in us.
Monday 11 April 2016, 19:09:18
Steve
That's crazy, I'm hearing similar things all over the world, I've been cutting my lawns for 12 months (not every month), first time ever. normally the grass stops growing in late October but it was warm until late December, crazy crazy. I'm not sure what is going on, is it man made co2 or climate control! never the less the press / news don't really report it as they only really want to show the main FEAR propaganda (isis, migration etc. etc.) one thing for sure is spraying shit from passenger planes is nasty, i think they do it to fuck up the pineal gland as loads of us realised that fluoride mashes our connectivity!!
Tuesday 12 April 2016, 22:44:19
Walter Dewald
In Austria it started in the 90s, very dry winters, still cold, i.e -10 and slowly but surely it has become warmer and warmer. Green grass in January in Austria, no snow in the ski resorts up to 1500m and more.
Probably HAARP does a bit, as fear is very important for the "rulers" it seems. At the moment I am a bit downcast regarding the state of peoples’ mind. E.g. I tried to get some feedback how we can make feel Michael better, as he told me in London that he feels often very alone.

Very little feedback, nothing to make use of and the last comment was: “I think all searchers feel alone, but know deep down that we are never alone, just holding the torch for others to follow.” What should I think of that one – it is like people cannot think properly. I want action – instead of writing me those lines she could have sent a Michael a message telling him: I love you and you are never alone – we are with you.

I also try to organize some funds for Michael for the election campaign and I can post the link to the donation page on Facebook on TZMUK (Zeitgeist Movement), but I do not get full support of the administrators, as they do not want to support one particular fundraising - again, they do not get the point, nobody is able to pull on one rope into one direction. That was the answer of one admin (the others did not come back to me at all):
“Not sure about pinning, as many members might not like someone asking for money and giving preference to any specific group/project.

200,000 [$] looks like an enormous sum though. BUILD A HYBRID RBE COMMUNITY NOW tried to fundraise 26,000 in a group of 9,000 and I think they got less than 1000 by the end of it. “

I could give so many more examples, for example a woman walked out on Saturday because Michael mentioned dairy farms/cattle breeding as community project – she is Vegan.
Great that she cares, but that is something to be addressed later on, so she did not get the essential point at all.

I myself just woke up recently – my son died of meningitis last October and I got shattered to the core. This shock woke me up, I then went for the brew of the jungle, which did definitely activate my brain, and during that time I came by chance across Michael’s stuff, which made entire sense to me.
Particularly that he said all this ancient stuff is good and fine, but it is important what we do now with it.
That's it for now - I could rant on - but yes, we people are really brainwashed and very limited in our thinking.
Wednesday 13 April 2016, 04:29:42
Steve
Please rant on as much as you like, I'm listening! no one should have to go through what you have gone through, its so horrible and sad, i have 3 little girls and meningitis does scare me to the core, sorry for the delay in getting back to you but that is the system we live in and it sucks massively, we need to chip away bit by bit, we might not see any change in our life time but just
Tuesday 19 April 2016, 23:50:25
Tuesday 19 April 2016, 23:50:26
Tuesday 19 April 2016, 23:50:26
Neil Warren
https://lawfulbank.com/forum/…: Adam Warren, based in GB NG Nottingham area: I've started this as a new thread to have 'Letters to my MP' as part of the subject title, to make it easily searchable if others do the same in other topic groups. Depending on volume we may want to consider a separate forum group for it....Cont'd...
Thursday 21 April 2016, 10:42:46
Neil Warren
...cont'd: 03/05/14

Dear Mark,

I am very concerned about the extent of geoengineering occurring over the Nottingham area. Please see attached photos of the sky above Hucknall today. In case you're not already aware of what this shows, the long white lines are left by planes. These are not normal contrails.

My understanding is that these 'chemtrails' contain harmful metals and other toxic materials that are designed to reflect sunlight, supposedly to reduce surface temperature and the effect of global warming.

This is but one theory however, because there is a complete lack of open debate and information about this activity. My primary source of information is www.geoengineeringwatch.org if this is useful for you too.

My questions to you are:

1) Are you aware about this already? If so and you disagree with the theory above, or the general assertion that this activity is harmful, please can you provide me with your information sources on the topic.

2) What can you offer to do to open a public debate on the issue?

Kind regards,
Adam Warren...cont'd...
Thursday 21 April 2016, 10:43:20
Neil Warren
...cont'd: 04/06/14

Dear Adam,

Thank you for your email about chemtrails.

I am aware of the trails left by aeroplanes, as is the Department of Transport. Beyond the assertions made by Geoengineering Watch however, there is no evidence of any other matter or aerosol being ejected from aircraft other than normal exhaust products, and, consequently, there is no evidence of geoengineering being used in Nottingham.

It is true to say that other countries have used weather modification techniques, such as cloud seeding, which causes precipitation by introducing substances into cumulus clouds that cause condensation. However, these techniques are aimed at reducing the locally damaging impacts of hail or promoting rainfall. They have no impact on climate and, as such, are not properly called geoengineering.

What is more, since 1977, cloud seeding and environmental techniques have been subject to international regulation after countries agreed the “Convention of the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques” (ENMOD). This treaty forbids the use of environmental modification techniques in hostile circumstances. Further details can be found here: http://publications.parliament.uk/…

Thank you once again for your letter and if you have any further concerns, please do not hesitate to get in touch.

Yours sincerely,
Mark Spencer MP (Con, Sherwood)...cont'd...
Thursday 21 April 2016, 10:43:55
Neil Warren
...cont'd...30/07/14

Dear Mark,

Thank you for your letter on 4th June in response to my email about geoengineering / chemtrails.

I am however a little perplexed about the link you sent me, as it seems contradictory to the point you are making. You asserted that ENMOD is the regulation that prevents geoengineering, however as the name suggests this is a ‘Convention of the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques’. I didn’t suggest that the technique was hostile, nor do I think present-day Nottingham is currently a hostile environment.

In fact the link you sent (http://publications.parliament.uk/…) states that ENMOD is not currently sufficient regulation to cover the use of SRM (Solar Radiation Management, which is the chemtrail technique – see Section 2 of the above report). Nor is any other regulatory framework currently sufficient.

So the question remains; why do we see grid patterns left by aeroplanes in the sky? Geoengineeringwatch.com and others have tried to get a conclusive answer from the Government and other sources, without success. If it is nothing but normal exhaust products as you suggest, why is there no public scientific evidence into why this has only been occurring over the last decade or so? Surely something about the exhaust products has changed, if this is the explanation – why is there no information about this? What if they are damaging, to us and/or to the environment?

I hope you can understand why my concern remains. I would expect that you would be interested in finding answers too, given that it’s occurring over your head just as much as mine.

Kind regards,
Adam Warren...cont'd...
Thursday 21 April 2016, 10:44:29
Neil Warren
...cont'd...05/08/14

Dear Adam,

Thank you for your most recent letter about chemtrails.

I’m afraid chemtrails is a theory which dates from around 1996 which I simply do not accept. You say at one point in your email that these exhaust products have only been left from aircraft for the last ten years or so, but that’s simply not true. These exhaust trails have been around since the beginning of aircraft. There is simply no credible scientific evidence that chemtrails exist.

Here is an extract from Hansard from 8th November 2005 where the Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs was asked a question about chemtrails, the answer to which I accept:

Mr. Drew: To ask the Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs what research her Department has undertaken into the polluting effects of chemtrails for aircraft.

Mr. Morley: The Department is not researching into chemtrails from aircraft as they are not scientifically recognised phenomena. However, condensation trails (contrails) are known to exist and have been documented since the 1940s. Contrails are composed of ice crystals forming on the small particles and water vapour emitted by aircraft as a result of the combustion process, they form behind high-flying aircraft depending on the temperature and humidity of the atmosphere.

A major scientific report, “Aviation and the Global Atmosphere”, was published in 1999 by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The report assessed the current contribution of aviation to climate change and, based on a range of scenarios and assumptions, forecast its contribution up to 2050. It estimated that contrails covered about 0.1 per cent. of the Earth’s surface in 1992 and projected this cover would grow to 0.5 per cent. by 2050 (on middle range assumptions). More recently this work has been updated from the results of the EU 5th Framework Project, TRADEOFF.

Contrails continue to be the subject of research to help better understand both how they are formed and what effects they have on the atmosphere.

It is true we need to focus on ensuring the polluting effect of contrails from aeroplanes are reduced, but at the moment there is no credible evidence that the exhaust products have altered in the last decade, or since 1996, and that they have become ‘chemtrails’ rather than simply being the same ‘contrails’ that they always were.

Thank you once again for your email, and if I can be of any further assistance, please do not hesitate to get in touch.

Yours sincerely,
Mark Spencer MP (Con, Sherwood)
Thursday 21 April 2016, 10:44:57
Neil Warren
...cont'd...16/09/14

Dear Mark,

Thank you for your continued correspondence on 5th August regarding chemtrails; I appreciate the time you have taken to have dialogue with me about this. However I am intrigued once again by the contradictory nature of your response. You state that there is no evidence for chemtrails, yet the previous link you sent me regarding ENMOD (http://publications.parliament.uk/…) clearly recognises the technique of SRM (Solar Radiation Management, which is the chemtrail technique – see Section 2 of the above report).

I did not mean for chemtrails and contrails to be confused either – I thought this to be self-evident. They are quite different, defined clearly by the type of trail left in the sky. Contrails evaporate quickly (typically less than a minute) whereas chemtrails have been observed on many occasions to leave a solid trail which expands gradually into a hazy cloud. You can find many examples of this recorded by normal people, just like the photos of the sky over Nottingham I sent you (attached again for reference):

https://youtube.com/watch/… (ignore the commentary if you prefer – concentrate on the images)

https://youtube.com/watch/…

https://youtube.com/watch/…

This footage also demonstrates how the trails are often left in structured grid patterns, giving weight to the argument they are being produced to create a ‘shield’ as effective as possible at blocking solar radiation, i.e. Solar Radiation Management (see again the ENMOD report you originally referred me to, above).

Whether or not you choose to accept the theory I am personally not satisfied that the information you have presented in your response adequately addresses the points raised above. It seems many others share my concern too.

Kind regards,
Adam Warren
Thursday 21 April 2016, 10:45:26
Neil Warren
...cont'd...17/09/14

Dear Adam,

Thank you for your most recent email on chemtrails.

I’m sorry you are dissatisfied with my responses. I’m afraid I simply do not accept that there are such things as chemtrails, and I would need a lot more evidence than simply videos showing the remains of contrails on YouTube.

I am aware of the difference between chemtrails and contrails, but I would argue that when people say that something is a chemtrail, they are actually simply looking at a contrail. You are factually wrong to say that contrails evaporate after less than a minute. This is not true. Contrails can last for up to several hours depending on the atmospheric and climatic conditions. All these videos simply show contrails. Unless you can prove that they are, as you call them, chemtrails, by showing me evidence of the composition of them, for example, then I’m not going to be persuaded.

As for the report, I think you’ve misread it. Solar Radiation Management is indeed a geoengineering technique and one example of it is spraying stuff into the atmosphere. However, this technique is not done. The report simply outlines the various sorts of geoengineering techniques that could potentially be done. There is no evidence that any aeroplanes anywhere in the UK or across the EU release chemicals into the atmosphere (i.e. have chemtrails) in order to do geoengineering.

Thank you once again for your email.

Yours sincerely,
Mark Spencer MP (Con, Sherwood)...cont'd...
Thursday 21 April 2016, 10:46:01
Neil Warren
...cont'd...18/10/14

Dear Mark,

Thank you for your reply.

I accept that we are at a stalemate regarding this matter however I felt I should respond to your point about wanting evidence in support of the theory of chemtrails. Just as it is your assertion that the chemtrail theory is baseless without evidence, it is the assertion of people like myself that there is inconclusive evidence to support the position that the frequency and consistency of trails in the sky today can be explained by contrails from increased air traffic. Unfortunately there has been no publicly backed investigation or experiment to conclude one way or the other, primarily because the balance of opinion at the present time is in favour of your position, however I believe more and more people feel there are questions to be answered so it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

The best evidence I can offer you at this time is a very interesting study conducted by Andrew Johnson of www.checktheevidence.com, titled “A Systematic Attempt to Measure Air Traffic Levels and Count Persistent Jet Trails/Chemtrails Using a Raspberry Pi-Based Computer Network”. Although Andrew cannot conclude absolutely in favour of one side or the other, this is the best investigation into the matter I have seen so far and I am a fan of his scientific and methodical approach into this and other ‘conspiracy’ theories. In particular I find it interesting that he can present much more convincing evidence and thus well-balanced opinions into these topics than is provided in the official accounts of such events.

Regarding the ENMOD report I have to disagree that I misread it – I think it would be fairer to say that we interpret it differently. The report makes it clear that SRM is a geoengineering technique we have the technology to use. I think the evidence of history would favour my position that governments have for many years conducted studies on their populations without their knowledge or consent: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

Kind regards,
Adam
Thursday 21 April 2016, 10:46:30
Neil Warren
A Systematic Attempt to Measure Air Traffic Levels and Trails

A Systematic Attempt to

Measure Air Traffic Levels

and

Count Persistent Jet Trails/Chemtrails

Using a Raspberry Pi-Based Computer Network
Thursday 21 April 2016, 10:48:13
Thursday 21 April 2016, 10:48:27
Neil Warren
Skype-update between me (Neil) and Andrew Johnson of Check The Evidence etc.. Be careful with Dane Wiggington of GeoEngineering Watch. He might be "nearly right" on chemtrails, but he is a denier of the basic facts of 9-11, including Hurricane Erin which looked suspiciously "manipulated" (possibly HAARP), coming and going in the blink of an eye on the morning of 9-11, off the coast by New York. Here is Dane (6 min clip), with Richard Gage of Architects & Engineers for 9-11 Truth fame, washing his hands of Dr Judy Wood's facts and observations and proof: http://checktheevidence.co.uk/…
Thursday 21 April 2016, 10:55:39
Neil Warren
Wigington, not Wiggington, apologies (and "edit post" on our wish lists?).
Thursday 21 April 2016, 10:56:22
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