[deleted user] Right I have watched it and I am still a stay in. I totally agree the EU has failed to move with the times in this ever changing world but why has this happened? Because most of us are quite content with an elusion of democracy by voting in an election once ever 5 years. The Tory's claimed power with about 14 million votes out of 48 million the whole country turned blue. So really they don't have a mandate do they.
Saturday 28 May 2016, 20:52:46
[deleted user] Sorry pressed the wrong button. I thought the constant references to the wars was out of order it is scare mongering. What we should be asking ourselves is what did the Britons do for us (to paraphrase a well known movie clip). It seems they are looking back to some golden era of Britishness believe me as a worker everything good about pay and conditions came from Europe. As for protectionism. The elites who now own almost everything don't care if there companies are in England or China so long as they have no regulations. China is not an economic miracle its just they allow every criminal cartel to invest there they don't care where the money comes from hence why the Virgin Island is the single biggest route for funding to flow most of it off shore accounts and drug money. Mean while in Wales a steel plant shuts down. I urge you all to watch 'Winter on Fire' (Ukrainians fight for freedom) and then say we should not be stood together. No Government, No EU no 1% just a united people. Can I just finish with this do we all think we should deregulate our Banks, our Health Service, our Food Production, Education, Our Health and Safety Standards, Care in the Community, Construction Practices Standards in Air Travel, Emissions that we all breath. I could go on. W e need unity not separation. I will look forward to more comments Thanks Equality 333
Saturday 28 May 2016, 21:17:50
[deleted user] Alright Guys?? Hope your well... Some good points - Here's my 2 cents for what it's worth - I definitely want out - The thought of locking us into an ever increasingly powerful EU run by faceless bureaucrats that hold no accountability for failed policy is nefarious, especially when you look at planed introduction of TTIP - The current system is a failed one IMO - All time high unemployment rates for young people in Spain - Greece - Italy etc bailouts left right and centre - I suspect with immigration things will get worse across Europe along with all of the above mentioned in the movie - Bullets, Bombs and banks is the only way they keep this thing going.. It's a system that can't be sustained... However as long as we can put a face to a policy we still have the power to place accountability for actions and with that comes apprehension from governance on bad ideas, they know that enough people pushing in the same direction using Icelands example still remains a very real option for us and l suspect is a cause for their concern... The closer we get an all powerful EU the less chance we the people have to effect change.
Saturday 28 May 2016, 22:56:44
[deleted user] To add to the above post - In an ideal world the idea of a United EU is not a bad one - Unfortunately it has long been corrupted and remains open to corruption by the stereotypical self serving autocrat willing to push through harmful policy on behalf of the mega corporations as long as certain palms are greased - so far these unelected official sell outs have given us zero evidence to prove they have the best interests of the people and the planet we live on at the forefront of their concern - We simply can't trust the current crop of bandits IMO
[deleted user] Not mad keen on Farage but he exposes some of the faceless officials in this clip.
Sunday 29 May 2016, 08:39:53
[deleted user] Yes but how many of our rule makers and leaders did you personally elect. In my case none, not one.
Sunday 29 May 2016, 10:24:22
[deleted user] Same here - none - The slight bit of comfort I cling to however is - We the people can take action as a united group and go after the face behind harmful policy - We haven't managed it yet but I always use Iceland as an example of people power moving in the same direction against local Government and Banking - The People responsible were arrested - Policy from the shadows of a corrupt EU will eventually make it very difficult to pin point and hold accountable those who make the decisions.. On top of that its corrupt to the core - I don't believe it's sustainable to carry on in the same vein with the same people in charge.. Although I can see a valid argument from a better the Devil you know perspective.
Sunday 29 May 2016, 11:42:14
Equality333 Europe is corrupt to the core !!! So is our country by a least we have a better change of changing out government. We don’t even get to see our European leaders ?!
Sunday 29 May 2016, 11:54:28
[deleted user] I don't think anything changes. We have an election and it's a two horse race both own and trained by the same group of people. Also we have not touched on the House of Lords who are twice in number un-elected rule and law makers. They have the final say on all laws and Government legislation, period. If we had a system were a parties electoral promises were bound by law to be implemented then fine but they have no real need to implement them. The whole system of an election is corrupt in that they make promises to give you some thing in return for your vote. In business that has now been outlawed it is equivalent to a bribe. Does not the Prime Minister visit the Queen each week to run stuff by her I think it is more to get her permission. The Queen runs the whole show.
Sunday 29 May 2016, 16:21:38
[deleted user] So we carry on kicking the same can down the same road while continuing to place our trust in proven criminals ?? We'll be digging a hole so big for ourselves we will have absolutely no chance of climbing back out IMO... Why can't we bind electoral promises by law??.. We do have the power to hold politicians accountable for harmful policy when in breach of their own laws - (keep harping back to Iceland as my case in point, how else were they able to enforce arrests??) - It just takes numbers in agreement - But as you and me are proving - that has always been the massive stumbling block in this Country .. As far as the Queen goes I don't have an answer to that one ?? - As long as the fact remains that King John was forced by the disgruntled masses to sign the Magna Carter I will continue to live in hope.??... You made some great points Llanrog.. But we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one.
[deleted user] You've probably already seen this documentary about the people of Iceland - It's quite inspiring and interesting to hear how they pulled it off.👍
Sunday 29 May 2016, 19:48:55
Equality333 You both have good points, but is we can force a leave and to be honesy that will be a miracle as I am sure they will rig it. But IF we do the that will be a nail in the NWO plan. I like the UBUNTU idea (https://youtube.com/watch/…) this is where the future is. In all honesty himanity is at a cross roads and we NEED to ralise we control our own lives we are in charge of our destiny! Group like this need to start coming togther and makeing the change NOW!
Sunday 29 May 2016, 21:36:23
Equality333 I think is only a matter of months if that before the economy collapses and the sh** hits the fan. This is the biggest crossraod for humantiy and our chance to stop corruption. That said I also don’t belive one governement can rule so many poeple they become so dissconnected with the individual and this will cause massive massive problems. For me this is no option but to leave!
Sunday 29 May 2016, 21:38:35
[deleted user] I agree... It's gonna get rigged regardless!!..and I'm sure the devious b****rds will have a back up plan if things don't go there way... Could certainly be a defining moment in our History though??.. Cheers for the vid - not seen this one yet.👍
Sunday 29 May 2016, 22:09:24
[deleted user] Almost everyone I've talked to want to leave but I'm telling you we will stay in no matter how the vote goes. To condense my view is this, We are all blaming the EU or The Government or anything else but the truth is it's kinda our faults we the 99% must take on the responsibility for getting stuff done. Obviously we are doing something by having this discussion but the time will coming when it is going to get nasty and a line in the sand will have to drawn and each one of us will have to decide which side they are on. I will look into Iceland.
Sunday 29 May 2016, 22:59:58
Equality333 I agree llanrog it’s a hidious mess. People on here are awake and are aware it will more then likely be rigged, but many out there are still totally brainwashed by the media. We need to wake up as many people as we can, cos the collapse is dangerously near and it’s scary. I just hope if people are talking about it and everybody realises that a mahoity of people want out (from my exp) and the vote suddenly sat in, hopfully the might wake the masses to the corruption. We can only hope. But we need to change our ways and fast and protest won’t achive that we need poeple to just change look at UBUNTU too (above vid).
Monday 30 May 2016, 00:00:44
[deleted user] Yep - Think the old saying goes "the people will receive the governance they deserve" - Lets see how it rolls out??